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“Instead of watching digitally enhanced photos of perfect superwomen, men should learn to relate to a real person”, I heard somebody say.

True. So what to do about it? Not letting them have the photos? This always reminds me of someone who takes away a kid’s favorite cuddly toy because the kid should learn to relate to a real person and not a dead object. We know it doesn’t work. Chances are it works the other way around: By granting a kid a cuddly object to form an attachment to, the kid learns not to suppress his or hers needs for attachment even at times when he or she is alone.

Could something similar be at work with men and their “need” for photos like this? Does it help them to stay in touch with their desires even if it’s not the right time to act upon them? Does it in other words protect them against emotional numbness?

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zoid67215 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2017
Men are hard-wired to process information visually. We're the hunters; females, the gatherers. At my advanced age, I'm more sensitive to what I'm seeing in the female form: the fullness and curvature of the hips, the width of the pelvic girdle, the degree of symmetry in the face, size and set of the eyes, swell of lips, blush in the cheeks and neck, the depth of the forehead, length of arms and fingers... and of course, the shape and size of the natural breasts.
(NB: No implants for me, please. I'd prefer them small and/or saggy, rather than 'corrected' surgically. You've got a couple amongst your models, but I'd never tell who. I'm sure they have their reasons.)

To sort of answer your question then:
Men look. It's what we do. Even without consciously analyzing what we're seeing when we look at a female, we're subconsciously considering her merits as a mating partner...

Ever since I was a young boy, the very sight of an especially beautiful woman puts me in a cognitive fog (e.g., I'm a raging heterosexual). It is not sexual arousal, per se. It is rather a simultaneous gestalt of the body and mind of complete sexual compatibility. That's why we look, and what we are searching for when we look.
emperorbutch Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2016
Don't know about 'numbness'.....
But, I do like looking into the eyes of love.
TIAGOTLR Featured By Owner Jan 5, 2016
Amazing photo
irishgood Featured By Owner Sep 11, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Ohhhh goth.. she's Caprice..ohh she' s my favourite .. oh my goth...
shortoid Featured By Owner Jun 28, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
I think that you put it well. I love the pictures, lets me know what I am missing - being a basically shy sort of guy. Love it when the picture and text allow me to think about stuff too.
RobMitchem Featured By Owner Jun 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Wonderful lighting!
Jan-K-Fotografie Featured By Owner Jun 14, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Breathtaking artwork.
Jagaya Featured By Owner Jun 13, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Actually the quote is not true at all. We watch movies in the cinema, series on television, we read fictional books or comics and we play (video-)games. Does this make us unable to relate to real life, real situations? Ofcourse not.
So before we ask ourself what these photos might offer in a weird psychological way, we should ask, if they couse any damage.
Men who can't relate to regular looking woman becouse they watch porn, would most likely be unable even without porn, just by using their imagination or only looking at the most attractive woman they know and still won't relate to the regular looking.

If you don't give a child a certain toy, they will find others. Now becouse men are childish, but becouse humans are able to find their own ways to fullfill their needs. Which means this behavior is not limited to men or children.
Swaptrick Featured By Owner Jun 9, 2014  Professional General Artist
As a male editor and artist, I can say I prefer images of women that are only slightly retouched to remove obvious flaws from the photo that are uncontrollable such as weather conditions, environmental complications etc, or whatever the model themselves are unhappy with. I choke when I see these super airbrushed models that look like a plastic toy. Not to open the whole can of worms about objectifying people, but it really does set unrealistic expectations. I've had to get over that in my personal life as I've grown as I'm sure most people do, that others are human and have many flaws, most of which we can all relate to. I believe we all should take pride in our appearances, and do our best to remain healthy and present ourselves in the best way we can out of respect for ourselves and those around us. Personally I struggle with the occasional vain thought about how I should look and how muscular or trim I should be, but I hit the gym 3-4 times a week ultimately to maintain a healthy lifestyle that I am happy with. That's all I ask of anyone else, especially the women I am attracted to. Apart from those who can't maintain a healthy body weight due to injury or illness, I only look down and judge those who display outright laziness and sedimentary lifestyles and then complain about their situation later. When it comes to these body types, some have it easy and natural and God bless them, and if some are exercising and staying healthy to maintain a certain look that is also commendable. But if women begin to abuse their bodies and starve themselves, and inherently embracing an unhealthy lifestyle, that's where I have the problem. When PS artists start to tip and tuck every inch of a person's body until they no longer look like themselves, that's when I get angry.
andreasD700 Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014
Wonderful, emotional photo with amazing light!!!
Vandaalis Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014
It is much like any tool or medicine. You need the correct dose and quality. Abusive/Fake material (degrading pron, fake tits, altered bodies, PS) will cause negative effect on individual, regardless of the dose. On the other end stuff like this very fine example here does the opposite. Only in this case dose is important, yes overwanking is achievable :D
Not that men need the low quality stuff nor they demand it. The only reason anyone regardless of the gender would use a dummy is lack of availability, that of course most times comes out of lack of resources. So yes in a dumb monetary system, with sexually repressed society, we need to popularize natural bodies, to counter the existing imbalance in sexual understanding. So few men know what to do with a girl in bedroom. I think this is needed to help restore what was lost due to the stigma attached to sexuality by our elders. Here I mostly see quality art and beautiful representation of real human bodies. I was actually amazed when I saw people who are not considered ''beautiful'' as of people who do not look after their bodies, but regardless posted portraits etc etc. I think that is a good start for anyone how to raise confidence. So you keep taking these amazing pictures :D your quest is noble and necessary. Oh yes Cuba - the law states, no marketing, no body alterations. They have 0 ads with fake images of people. If anyone wants to regain their understanding about natural beautiful human bodies. Go there, learn and embrace 
lucium55 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014
Beautiful capture, an!!!
Emerson-Fialho Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Professional Artist
So lovely... :love:
ravenstromdans Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2014

I wonder. I personally feel a certain compulsion to to stop and look whenever I stumble across a female nude on DevArt, but I don't much like the feelings that brings out in me...a certain pang of emptiness, arolling tide of longing, usually accumulating into a sense of hopelessness before I move on to something else.

So why do I do it? Is it some part of the under-carriage of my brain, a bit of remaining instinct that says "Bared breasts and genitalia! Must Investigate!" Is it cultural, society telling me that as a hetero man I should want to look at naked women I'll never I do. Have I just tumbled into the pathetic depths of recognition that I'll never meet these women in real life, know these women in the way I'd like to, so I resort to the only opportunity I'll ever have to see their unadorned bodies?

It's probably a combination of all of them...but a large percentage of it is the last one. Given my age, my state of health and base level of attractiveness, I'm long past the point where I'd be anything but just another creepy old man to these young women I find inspiring my unwonted lust.

So, my answer to the question at hand is...that I don't know. Real interactions with people will always be more satisfying, I think, but humans in general are historically prone to wanting more than they have, something they perceive as "better". The fantasy and, for some, the pursuit of attaining or acquiring that "better" is always going to be there, always going to detract from what's right in front of you.

But even recognizing that reality doesn't seem to keep us from looking, admiring and desiring.

gjohns74 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014
Possibly as stated below, maybe the text is more thought provoking than the image? :) But it's also something to think about and I often have. I too am aging and often question my observation of images like this. For me really it has to do something with appreciation and respect. I have always liked Caprice and the photos stefangrosjean has made with her. She may be my perceived vision or ideal of perfection. I know that nobody is perfect, we all have flaws. But what I see here I look past any imperfections there may be. I just don't see them. I choose not to see them. Do I desire her? Or just the thought of her? Maybe both? Do I believe that's even realistic? Does it matter?
The fact is that in my eyes, I appreciate that these images exist. I appreciate that Caprice exists. I respect both Caprice and stefangrosjean for having taken time to create these images and allow us the privilege to view them. I appreciate and respect both for have given me something to take my mind of this mundane life I live. This is art to me. Takes me outside of myself if only for a moment, to appreciate that there are very beautiful people and things in this world.
And I will probably think more about this over the weeks to come. Thank you, Caprice and stefangrosjean, for the images you give us to observe. For myself, this is a positive addition to life.

Toms007 Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Me, I moved past pornografic meaning of pictures of naked women some time ago. Of course I like to look at young, firm, beautiful body of a woman, and I feel different emotions looking at a picture of a (naked) woman than I feel seeing pic of a man (although I am not gay, I just enjoy to see nice "things", therefore a good picture of a male athlete is also a pleasing view). So, yes, there is something special, unique, in watching pics of good looking naked women - as Caprice eg. But right now it's more estetic than erotic. The shot has to be interesting for me, not just simply pornographic. There has to be some kind of "added value" to it. The rest - although there are moments they give excitment - is plain boring for me.
And there is another thing. It's still some kind of a forbidden fruit - pornography/erotic art I mean.
So why do I do that? I gave my reasons above.
Vandaalis Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2014
You have lost your way sir. I analyze word and speech patterns, yours ring alarms. You hold a bias within yourself. Let me show you what I mean. Also please do not bite my finger look where I am pointing at. The 1st sentence is a bit fishy, but nothing too obvious. The big tell is where the 2nd brakcet is. You excuse yourself about your sexuality, word just with an emotion next to it is always self denial. No human being with balanced sexuality talks about their own sexuality - I just enjoy, then you hit the next nail - nice. This is commonly used to mask personality and to create an impression of favor. In the mean time this impression favors the will of society not yourself. Especially when nice and some other form of indefinition is used such as - things. You could delete the content in brackets and the comment still makes perfect sense. To be honest it makes more sense without the content in brackets. I do not disagree at all with your overall statement. As that is very accurate. All I am saying is you do not need to make excuses for being yourself. Yes and 100% reason people like nakedness is due to repressed sexuality and I mean this worldwide including me :D cause guess what - how else I could read your comment if I was not staring at the same hot piece of ass as you were ha ha ha :D have a good day kid, but don't feel uncomfortable when you are being yourself. 
Toms007 Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Vandaalis, you overanalize things. And why do you think I am a kid?
Vandaalis Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014
I tried to help you, your excuse in the shape of the word overanalize is invalid. You just rejected yourself, your own choice. Can you describe what do you mean overanalize?
Toms007 Featured By Owner Jun 5, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Well, first of all, why did you try to help me? Did I ask for it, somewhere between words? Maybe I don't know something about myself; you'll probably say that's the case. Or maybe it's you, with a hidden complex of some kind, trying to feel needed at all costs. Because - as overcomplicated as my post was - I don't see there a cry for help. Or self rejection. Maybe lack of language skills - mind you, English is not my native language - but that's all I guess.
So that's why I think you overanalyzed my post; you look for something that isn't there.
The point of my post was simple; as much as I enjoy seeing a beautiful image of a young, human body, I don't do it out of erotic desire anymore. I stop by a picture because I found something interesting in a shot (unusual light, colour, whatever), not because I got aroused.
And you didnt answer my question: why did you think I was a kid? Me being immature, or you feeling somehow supreme to me (as more experienced, adult, whatever)?
ravenstromdans Featured By Owner Jun 3, 2014
I'm going to come back to this, because I think this is a debate worth analyzing.  

That's not to say I don't like the photo itself...but it's a bit less thought provoking than the text accompanying it.
legolassx Featured By Owner Jun 2, 2014
me encanta amigo
Darkstar7488 Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Your words and photograph are very thought provoking, and what I think is asking the right questions about social stigmas and norms.

tg-bobafett Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014
haipham Featured By Owner Jun 1, 2014
love her hair :)
sams2014 Featured By Owner May 31, 2014
fingure shape ! what about
SmyliArt Featured By Owner May 31, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
For me, this is more art than anything I would "need".
ShivamSinghal Featured By Owner May 31, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Beautiful Caprice ;)
GoldenSim Featured By Owner May 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Hypnotizing !!   great capture
A-Rae-K Featured By Owner May 30, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
As respectful as the photographer may be towards his subjects, I am seriously sick of seeing photos of naked women on deviantart. Drawings, paintings, even digital I can stand... But if I wanted sexy, suggestive photos of women that look like still shots from erotic films I would go buy a Playboy magazine. Forget browsing art if this sort of stuff shows up everywhere. So done. 
hobbitshire Featured By Owner May 30, 2014
Beautiful detail.
Eldacur Featured By Owner May 30, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
To my eye, Stefan, what you so often do is take a model that other photographers and videographers have presented as nothing but an object, a bunch of body parts to be exposed, and present them as real people. You photograph them as vulnerable or self-possessed, as alluring or bold. You photograph them in elaborate outfits, in elegant surroundings whose colors, shapes and textures that reflect and reinforce them and their character, or into which they can retreat, depending upon the mood of the portrait.

Yes, they are objects of desire and things of beauty. The viewer does know them personally, cannot fully relate to them as people, but you illuminate som of their character, some of their emotions. They are, to extent, presented as actors and people. You make them more real to us than they are in other contexts where we may have seen them. There is an art to what you do, respect in how you treat the model and the viewer. 

Little Caprice could easily be emotionally numb, as could we in viewing her, but here she is vulnerable, pulling back some, but not entirely. She is risking and exposing. If not open, she is opening. She makes small overtures here. I think the picture well suits your message. 

Bravo, and thank you.
whendt Featured By Owner May 30, 2014  Professional General Artist
very beautiful model and photo
labguyinwa Featured By Owner May 30, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
The warm to cool color relation is perfectly balanced.
MisakiChanz Featured By Owner May 30, 2014  Student Digital Artist
oh my goodness this is such a beautiful shot! One suggestion would be to not scruffle her hair so much? A little bit of volume is nice but over fluffing it can lead to a strange image.
Other than that teeny suggestion-
Again, I love this photo! The lighting is very lovely, not to mention at a PERFECT angle c:
mglcll Featured By Owner May 30, 2014
I believe I have seen this women in a site I should not have went to "Caprice"
Zagaboy Featured By Owner May 30, 2014
You keep making wonderful art Stef, you have great taste in lighting, composition and an awesome selection of models, screw the naysayers and feminists, I love food for my dreams,
I don't expect to achieve it, but I can dream. Feed us Stephan, feed us the food for our dreams
Zagaboy Featured By Owner May 30, 2014
Regarding the commentary on the photo, I have thought about this at length and you know what I don't care what women think especially the ones that want to suppress and shame us for being men, they say "We have unrealistic ideals for what women should look like", as if women in magazines look like frickin' Martians!!! However as I matured in life I have appreciated many different body types of women. But feminists and extremist women want to force us to like what is "average" or over-weight or whatever they feel like pushing on us. But I don't care, I'm a man and women will always be an object of desire and I like what I like, I will fantasize and idolize about whatever I like!
Nhizyr Featured By Owner May 30, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
It'd just be nice if the media could stop representing the whole female sex as a sex toy for men that doesn't have a desire of their own, but only exists to please you
that's kinda downgrading
that said, feel free to fantasize all you like, just be aware that it's a fantasy, and that the extend to which this fantasy has been made reality in our culture can be really harmful to actual women
Zagaboy Featured By Owner May 30, 2014
1) Cool women are humans they have feelings, WE get that lol
2) I'm not the media.
3) Men are programmed to sexually objectify women, whether it's publicized or not, whether you like it or not.
It's our nature. I know you want to be equal and stuff but this nature of ours isn't gonna change whether or not the media shows it. We ARE the sexually dominant, hence we hump women and women are humped, therefore women the are submissive sex, usually. (submissive, NOT subservient mind you, don't misunderstand).
4) Oh yeah, I don't see guys crying about woman idolizing ripped (muscular) successful men, don't deny it, I see it everyday on facebook, as if women don't objectify men Eye Roll 
5) Women always want a man better than them (richer, taller, stronger,older) so generally for men it's MOSTLY physical. It's just the way it is, most men wouldn't admit it because it's not romantic but trust me it's true.
lidsworth Featured By Owner May 30, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
are you an idiot? Like not to be rude or anything, but everything you just said was stupid, and sexist...
Nhizyr Featured By Owner May 30, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
right I don't think I feel the need to talk to you anymore lmao, disgusting creature
Zagaboy Featured By Owner May 30, 2014
lol okay have a nice day
Nhizyr Featured By Owner May 30, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Actually - I suppose that's super hypocritical of me now but there ya go. I get really angry when I see people actually believing stuff like that, you see. So I'm sorry for having insulted you.
I'd just like to know what makes you so sure that "men are programmed to sexually objectify women", as you say. 
And actually, yeah you do see guys crying about that. Well, maybe you don't, because you don't look, but I do. 
And 5. oh look here's me, a woman who doesn't give a shit about your size and riches, guess you'll have to reconsider that theory.
Monkiy Featured By Owner May 30, 2014
Little Caprice, lol. Last place I expected to find a photo of her, but a pleasant one nonetheless.
Soulbrilliant Featured By Owner May 30, 2014
me gusta mucho
nfteixeira Featured By Owner May 30, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
These pic helps to fuel our desires and somewhat childish aspirations on our perfect female physical counterpart. Having said that, for most men this is as real to us as our fairy tale fantasies of heroes, valor and adventure. We know they will never be real... doesn't mean we can stop wishing that they were! ^_^
FuriousClown Featured By Owner May 30, 2014  Student Artist
Fair gentle model Heart 
147CombatMedic Featured By Owner May 30, 2014
Such a cutie!
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