Despite the fact that most Americans have a skewed view of what's acceptable in society, I support the sentiment of your video and wish you the best of luck. Now about the video itself.
Using the computer generated voice is understandable if you yourself don't speak English well, but consider finding someone who does and letting them narrate your video. Having a natural sounding human voice is usually better in engaging a human audience.
The video is almost male centric in its focus. Though I do believe a large majority of erotic content lovers are male, there are also female voyeurs and this video seems to only make a token effort to reach that audience.
One example of sexual exploitation is given. Shouldn't there be more? There are even more subtle ways people tend to act towards another person once they've seen them naked. Sometimes we don't even realize we could be acting that way.
I think your opinion to erotic models should extend to all women, whether they be models or not, when nude photos of them are found.
Before viewing your video, I thought much the same thing when seeing the news about "Kate's nude photos". I get that a nude royal is going to get a lot of attention, but the media portrays it like she has done something wrong.
We need more nudity in mainstream media so we can learn to become a little more mature about.
think you're right. But it differs from eroticism. Nudity is natural. It's not the same base. We're far ahead from not to know what we're doing. To often the intention is obvious. Confusing these subjects causes immature controversy.
If you want my opinion .. if there is somebody practice the Sexual Exploitation! .. it will be you .. yes .. you are simply use their bodies to spread your picture and gallery .. you called it art .. but I can't see the art of showing normal shoots of hot female bodies .. I see that you .. yourself should stop the Sexual Exploitation! of your models
Really? Nobody here made the effort of replying to this ? Why, pray tell, would the photographer be exploiting his models?
I counted tons of professional models (including a famous fetish model) while looking through his portfolio, so most of them have been doing this kind of modelling for years now because they enjoy it. Honest to god, how can you call that exploitation when he's not even making that much money off of it (and even if he did, as long as he'd pay the models a percentage for every sold item, it still wouldn't be exploitation) ?
Whether or not you want to call his works "art" is up to you, that's your personal opinion, but next time you want to make a comment like this, run out to the store and get a thesaurus before you do, and some spare logic too.
nudity is natural - I think there is more than 50% of us that like it.... I think maybe 5% don't like it, but deep down in side they want it. I only got to look at 8 or your 30+ pages - you're quite a photographer - I like your subject choice - lol
Nice flame in comments. I did not get 70% of them. Till this moment I thought I understand English. Now I see: I understand nothing. What's a problem? Adult women cannot make right decision (to pose or not to pose)? Photographer doesn't sign proper MR with them? Western culture is going to refuse nudity (after Michelangelo, Rembrandt, Degas)? I don't get it!
you can look at it both ways. I wouldn't fire anyone for any reason that doesn't interfere with their work performance. However I also feel an employer should be free to terminate any person for any reason. I guess the only thing you can do is lead by example and hope other employers respect you enough to follow.
This is a very difficult subject, but ultimately it can be very strongly argued that most nudity is sexploitation. The problem is that money is power. People with money have power over people who do not and the moment that situation arises, then things get difficult. If the nudes did this for arts sake, then fair enough, but they aren't taking their clothes of for art, they are being paid.
As a woman I am standing up in defense of this wonderful artist and his beautiful models. This is my message to all you trolls. Who call his art PORN.
Last time I watched a porno people were getting fucked up their asses and liking it. A porno is raw, dirty, meaningless, acting. Just so some middle aged guy that lives in his parents basement can get his rocks off. Sometimes it's sickening to me as a woman, and sometimes it's not. The human body is a beautiful thing no matter what medium the artist expresses themselves with while they portray it...you have no idea why those woman do what they do or what they get paid. You just made a assumption on something you personally know absolutely nothing about. You sit in judgement like you are better but what where you looking at it for if your soo full of blind morals. I get the impression that you don't like seeing a naked beautiful woman gracefully, tactfully SHARING herself with the world for FREE. Because I didn't pay her a fucking penny to add her to my favorites and use her image in my screen saver later. What really pisses me off is people like you pollute this beautiful community of artists with your toxic words and your poisonous negativity. What is really bittersweet is when that woman posed nude she knew that people like you were out there because your a dime a dozen. She even posed nude for an ungrateful person like you. All the while you look down at her and probably every woman. I feel proud to be a woman when I see pictures like that because although she's naked she is acting like a LADY with self-respect and dignity. She's not getting gang banged by 3 guys with a dick in every hole. That is porn. Are you seeing the difference yet. I am pretty sure I am wasting my time talking to you because I get the impression you have no respect for women. If I was a narrow minded prick who assumed things I would say you have mommy issues or your a woman beater. But since I am not like that I am just gonna guess that your probably just lonely and wanted to start a fight with someone tonight. Just know that you will get no further response from me on this matter. I have a little advice for you man IF YOU DON'T FUCKING LIKE IT, DON'T LOOK AT IT. No point in voicing your opinion BECAUSE WE DON'T CARE. JUST GET THE FUCK OUT OF DeviantArt. I have had it with you mental midgets. I am going to go look at her again and thank God he made her and me and this beautiful country where I have the freedom to fully enjoy Gods great works of art. So fuck off.
What this artist does may not be porn but you can bet on that there are a lot of "middle aged guys that lives in his parents basement" as you ever so gently put it, has pleased themselves with this artists photos. I do agree on that there is a difference between nude art and porn/erotic stuff but I find it ridiculous how people are getting so upset by anyone stating that this particular artist makes erotic/porn-like photos. I mean look at his gallery! It’s filled with skinny women with big breasts completely nude, often posing in a very EROTIC fashion. This artist centers his photographs around the sexuality of the nude girl, not always but very often and that’s okay. If your going to appreciate nude art like this artist has, atleast admit that it is sexual! Why would it be so horrible if it was? Dont act as if its all emotional and "empowering women" because sometimes its just a hot chick with nice tits on a pretty photo. AND THATS OKAY.
So... You get women to take their clothes off and post pictures of them that men beat-off to. Then, you say, "These women are people and should be treated with respect!" But honestly, aren't you being disrespectful of the women? Aren't the men who treat them like virtual sexdolls being exploitive of these women? The answer is yes.
I know. It's considered so prudish to tell men and women alike that people are good for more than their sex organs. But erotic art in itself is saying, "Look at me! i'm so sexy and I want you." So you post images that men masturbate to. You degrade women while claiming to empower them. Then, you have them go back to their regular jobs where they get fired for acting like nothing more than masturbation tools for men online. Then, you create a soulless video with a poorly-drawn character and act like it's the employers who were wrong.
Sex is fine. Sexuality is a huge part of being a human. But don't act like you're doing these women some huge favor. Don't get all indignant on here and talk about how employers, who want their employees to be taken seriously are to blame. You treat these women as objects of lust. that's all they are to you and the men who jerk-off to them. How is anyone going to respect them for any more than that?
Maybe the employer himself likes the woman as an actual person, but he knows that the men in his office will harass her about it. Afterall, she's on the internet flashing her vagina for horny boys. Firing her will save him from potential sexual harassment suits. Maybe the employer won't be able to look at her anymore without conjuring up those sexual images. That will be a deterent to his own work. Maybe he just wants to avoid all of the giggling at the office cooler. People who are great at their jobs get fired for not working well with their colleagues. It's the same reason most companies do not allow inter-office romances. Saying it's not fair for them to fire someone after you, yourself, exploit them for money and fame is ridiculous.
What you do is exploitation. Whether they think it's a good idea or not at the time. Do you sit these women down and explain to them that it might cost them a job or a career later in their lives? Do you inform them of exactly how erotic models are treated by society? Do you tell them that they will be the whicking material for skeezy pervs all over the world? Of course, not. Whether the women come to you, or you seek them out, there's a level of fantasy to it all, isn't there? These women think it's easy money. Most don't even realize what type of impact it will have on their lives.
Your gallery is full of young women. Mostly early 20s, right? They're going to make mistakes. They're going to do stupid things. That's what we all do. If this plight is so terrible ot you, you need to sit these girls down and explain it all to them before they ever take their clothes off. Make sure they understand. Stop exploiting these women. Let them make an informed decision as to where their lives should go from that moment on. Don't whine to them about the injustice of it all, or try to convince them to take their clothes off anyway. Once you're done explaining it all to them give them the option to walk away. Not all of them will. That won't make them hoes or sluts, but it will make you a better person than your colleagues.
I am supporting rumikoholic, even if its kind of a harsh style to point it out.
1) I am convincend that most of the models, who are indeed in their early 20s, dont understand the bigger picture oder see the end of the line. I am sure most of the young girls are NOT fully aware what happens to their nudity in the uncontrolled depths of the internet. Especially in regard of the never-forgetting, forever-available aspect of the internet's data. Therefore, I should be the photographers obligation to make them understand all possible consequences. Why? Because he knows better than them, because he has experience. Because he could. No matter what the legal regulations say (signing a contract can not be considered the final answer of an just or responsible society - there are many unjust working contracts, very many.)
2) Some men are jerking off to the girls on the pictures, some of them consider them as art. And for many people it is both at the same time. And thats, for me, the most important ambivalent problem of erotic art: No doubt its not just porn, it is more aesthetic, it is natural and in some way artistic. But in the same way it activates sexual feelings, and everybody knows many men use this pictures for their pleasure. And I think its naive to negate that when talking about erotic art. So is it exploitation? No, under the assumption of a open, equal society which respects humans in all terms, and if it is free of sexual domination. But, some kind of yes, in a male-dominated society, where women are portrayed as available sexual objects to please men. Naked women are abused for commercial use, selling a lots of products, are found on magazine covers, in most movies. This undermines the decent intentions of SOME erotic art photographers.
Maybe, after all, in some cases it is not exploitation of naive young girls. But, for the girls, it is not recommendable, in most cases. If there would be no sexism about it all, a photographer would take pictures of women of all ages, and women and men alike.
although I agree with some of the things you say, and you make great points- But not everyone looks at these pictures for the sake of just jerking to them. I absolutely love artistic nude for the same reason why I would like any other art form- the aesthetic appeal to the pictures, the mood that is created from the lighting colours and setting of the photo, the beautiful sloping curves of the women, and even just the anatomy and lighting for references to create my own art. I'm a strait female 18 years old, and I don't find the artistic nude erotic at all, but I find it very beautiful. Like you said, Sexuality is a part of human life. I might create erotic artwork to portray an emotion- just like someone might make a picture to portray peacefulness, anger, sadness.. etc It's obvious that erotic artwork captures the attention much more than other artwork because, well, sex sells. That can be frustrating but at least artistic nude gives the model emotion unlike most ads and such that make women objects for the purpose of selling a product. These pictures are about the women
They may not understand the repercussions because they don't have the wisdom that comes with age and life experience to understand. The fact is they made the choice themselves and for you to blame him for their choices makes no sense to me. To assume that they don't understand when you have no knowledge of that in reality is really not fair either. I guess it's all in the way you look at the work. Some people look and see negative things. I personally look and see beauty and art. I don't see porn or anything negative because I believe that the human body is a beautiful work of Art and that the creator really went above and beyond the call of duty when he made the female form.
I'm not demeaning the women at all. I'm saying they are often misinformed as to what their role is, especially when it comes to nude modelling. there is a kind of fantasy that goes with this sort of thing. You have no idea until you've been there. The photographer tells you all kinds of things. Like how liberating it can be. How you should embrace your sexuality. How it's a key part of human nature and you shouldn't be ashamed. They say whatever they have to say to get your clothes off. I know.
The fact he claims these employers are sexually exploiting women by firing them is a serious charge. There is nothing sexually exploitative about firing a person because they took nude photographs and had them posted all over the internet. If the employer then forced these models to perform sexual acts with with either themselves or potential clients in order to remain employed, then it would be sexual exploitation.
Scouting young women and paying them money to model for him for the express purpose of turning them into objects of lust for his fanbase is a form of sexual exploitation. You can't possibly tell me that every single one of these models came to him begging him to take naked pictures of them. He states quite adamantly that these women perform a service by being sexual objects for men. Does he tell them that before they sign any papers, or agree to model for him? Of course, not. Not all of the women who do this kind of thing mind. But some of them do. Most of them have no idea what they're getting themselves into when they pose for these pictures. They assume it's easy money. That no one will ever see them. They don't understand what the repercussions will be until it's too late. If they came to him and asked him to take them down, do you think he would? Of course, not. He paid them for a service. He treats them like virtual whores. That's the truth. If you don't believe me, watch his video and read his responses to other people.
let me start of by saying that I was going to leave this alone, but then I read it again and I can't help but point out something..
1) you don't know if I've been there or not
2)then you both are claiming something which can be considered a serious charge, you say he is exploiting them, he says they are exploiting them.
3) Some see this as art, whether you can understand that or not, not everyone see this as porn. This can be evidenced by the fact that there are numerous female art appreciaters buying and watching the art, sometimes even creating it themselves. (Scroll downside and you'll see Rockstarvanity)
4)It isn't exploitation, they get paid for a service they agreed upon, probably signed papers for too and I assume are of legal age... none of this reads sexual exploitation, the models should be able to decide for themselves whether they want to do this and what the consequences are. If they do not know this, you can't blaim someone else for anothers stupidity/naivity/ignorance. Also ''You can't possibly tell me that every single one of these models came to him begging him to take naked pictures of them.'' I said no such thing.
5) again you say most of them, you don't know that, you haven't met ''most of them''. If you know ''some of them'' who do mind, don't project their experiences (or yours if that's the case) on all the others... not everyone has the same experiences.
6) (''He states quite adamantly'' )haven't seen that statement in regards to his own work, link me to where you see this, otherwise Ill assume this is another assumption you made.
7) You don't know if he tells them that or not before they sign any papers or agree to model before him, another assumption.
8) you don't know if they don't know where they get in to, nor do you know if they assume it's easy money or that no one will ever see them. You don't know if they don't know what the repercussions are.
9) If they signed or consented into taking the pictures he has no legal obligation to remove them if they ask. Unless did so under false pretenses. He paid them for a service, if someone does a commercial add and signed papers for it, the commercial won't be taken down either.
10) That he treats them like virtual whores is not a truth, it's your (flawed) opinion (Dictionary.com [link] disagrees with you). Infact the only one who called them that yet is you. I have seen the video and did not see any responses made by him except for the one where he says which program he used.
11) Your whole post consist of assumptions, it could be that you (or someone close) experienced exploitation and I am sorry if that's the case. Still it doesn't mean that every photographer is out to do the same thing, nor that every model experiences and feels the same way.
PLEASE ESPECIALLY READ THIS: In the future, I'd encourage you to seek facts and evidence to strengthen your argument, so it's a viable one, and you are not simply attacking someone for something they may or may not have done. I don't take lightly to stuff like that becuase it has caused great suffering in the world. Corrupt justice systems sending innocent people to jail or to their deaths, so-called facts which are not really facts that caused suffering in the forms of lobotomy or the Jew prosecution in WW2.
There many more examples, but I think I explained the seriousness of this and hope you understand.
Very well put sir... I was going to say something to this person, but I think you've said everything I could hope to X)
Although, I don't think using the Holocaust as an example here was the best idea, but I do understand what you're getting at with it. But it wasn't so much made-up facts that led to it. I think it was more jealousy. No Jew (I may be wrong, but if there were, I think they were few and far between) was living on the streets, most -- if not all -- bank owners in Germany were Jewish (again, might be wrong on that one), and this lead to a deep-seated jealousy of them, which was easy for someone to exploit.
... Ironically, I think that little off-topic last paragraph of mine actually brings up a relevant point. It would honestly not surprise me in the slightest if ~rumikoholic, and many of those who are so against erotic art that they feel the need to constantly battle it, are actually just jealous of the models, because these 'haters' if you will, are not as comfortable with themselves to do the same thing.
Even though some of you have valid points (not the 'feminists', god no), none of you have seemed to consider the fact that tons of his models are well-known, professional nude (/ fetish) models. These are women who have been working in the industry, for fun, for years now. And some of you dare to claim they are being exploited? Since when is doing what you like (and getting paid for it) called exploitation? Since when can a woman not simply do what she wants, without being labelled as a poor young woman who should be protected from herself? I don't know, but that sounds a lot more offensive than what you are accusing this artist of.
Long story short, most of you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Also, in this modern day and age of internet, smartphones and whatnot, even beginning models need less and less protection from 'perverts' or fake photographers who will try to exploit them, since word travels fast and references can easily be found. What these women need protection from is people like you lot, who claim to want nothing but the utmost freedom for every human being, but are simply saying so to cover up the fact that they're the most self-centered assholes on the planet. Total freedom comes at a cost, one mans freedom can take away that of another. That's why we all live by rules based upon consensus. We don't print pornography in children's magazines just like we don't print biblical quotes on our tax papers. Everything has an allotted place, so that almost everyone can enjoy more or less equal amounts of freedom.
Great Video. I think it`s silly how some people can see models on pictures. Like ... dude, this are in 99% cute, nice, and really funny girls ... not only nice body. And I also have some female friends that pose to nude pictures, for me it`s no problem, but a lot of people think, that if someone show body on pictures that make them slutty or sth. Like ... as a guy i can be tagged on facebook in photos from parties, when i give lecture on university, when i take pictures of girls, and so on ... and nobody tells me anything about it. But probably if girl would have naked picture somewhere on web, she would be fired from certain jobs ... and yes, I agree that if you own company then you can do there whatever you think profit you most ... but people should be more open minded. If You pose to nude pictures that only means, that you like your body ... but that dosent`t mean, that you can`t be in the same time a great teacher, or amazing bussines manager Some teachers that i saw in my life (and i saw a lot) ... dude, in one moment i would change them for a nude model with better knowledge in subject that they should teach, becouse kids as far as i know shouldn`t watch pictures of naked people (in DA nude categories afaik is 18+), but for sure they should have teachers that know what they do
First off, I believe that erotic models should be treated with the same respect that we offer everybody else.
That said, I also believe that a nude model must offer the same respect to the people who dislike commercial nudity.
Stefan seems to imply that modelling nude is a job like baking bread. It is not, for the simple reason that there is no taboo on bread, but there is one on nudity. You can now get all upset and scream that there must not be a taboo on nudity, that nudity is "natural" (whatever natural means for people that consider themselves to be not animals), etc. The fact remains, and you cannot deny this simple truth, that no-one objects to bread while nudity is offensive to a large percentage of people in our culture.
Can you treat these people with the same respect that you expect them to extend towards you? Can you accept that they believe, from the depth of their hearts, that nudity is evil?
Because, as soon as you ridicule these beliefs and those people, you have lost your own right to be treated respectfully.
Now, if your mind is capable of logic thinking and you have followed my argument to this point, from the respect that the nude model must extend to her employee and his opinion of nudity and nude imagery if she expects his respect towards herself, follows that she also must respect his wish not to work with her.
There are certain standards that someone working at a certain job has to fulfill. I am heavily tattooed, but I am perfectly in harmony with the fact that I cannot work at a bank counter with these markings. And not because I don't want that job anyway, but because I respect -- and respect has to go both ways! --, I respect that the owner of the bank has formulated for himself what his company stands for, and it is self-evident for me that everybody working in his company must stand behind this concept. You may dislike what banks stand for and how they operate, but just as the bank owner has to respect a nude model, a nude model has to respect the bank owner. And that means, that she must accept her dismissal, if it is communicated in a civilised manner and comes with terms that are humane.
Nude models that have been dismissed from jobs have all (to my knowledge) held jobs that are part of the public face of a company or where the nude model works with children. The company owner has the right to decide what the face of his company should look like and of course parents have the right to expect the teachers of their children to represent the values that they want to communicate to them. No-one has the right to aks parents to accept a teacher that they don't want for their children. And the reasons don't matter. They are the parent's children, not the theacher's.
I am often deeply troubled by the double standards that people enjoying nude photography have. They demand respect, but they are unable to grant it themselves.
God, you are a moron. And I say this with the deepest respect.
What if I AM deeply offended by bread? And although people would tell me to "...stop acting so fucking ridiculous!" I just couldn't get over it, and decided to go to a bakery, where to my dismay I saw my secretary buying a loaf of the hellish whole wheat! Surely I should fire her on that basis. No, that is utterly ridiculous. Unless somebody would actively throw her nude pics (or anything of the sort) in your face all the time, you can not blame her for YOUR seeking it out. Unless you haven't noticed, you should know that these kinds of images are not usually used as profile pics on for example facebook, or as Christmas greeting cards. You'd have to actively seek them out. Your bad.
You have a self-centered, unrealistic view of the world and can apparently not fathom how co-existence with other beings can actually work in the long run.
Fight Against Sexual Exploitation! Now in the box placed to the immediate left of this personal / journals postings is a beautiful woman belly down in a tub of what appears to me milk.....feet, ass, back, shoulders, neck & head above the milky surface.....erotically sensual.......female flesh & milky white contrast nicely forming and caressing the thighs & ass cheeks caressing the anus and vaginal labia.......Is my description considered "Sexual Exploitation" or just a critical observation of a photographers efforts to create a situation that begs to be looked at in a fetishistic manner?
Fully agreed. It's more than just peoples intolerance though. The exploitation happens from both sides of the industry, with the improper and lewd conduct towards the models. Especially those models who are not professionals, and are new to it, and are not aware of ways to protect themselves.
LilTracyLynnFeatured By OwnerDec 6, 2011Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Your point doesn't make since. If a man or woman is willing to strip naked in front of a camera, then she or he should understand the consequences of what happens when their pictures stream out on the internet. It's not sexual exploitation if a grown man or woman chooses to do what they do. Unless they are being forced against their will to do something inappropriate, then it's not sexual exploitation.
To be honest, if I were a business owner and I found that one of my employees were doing porn or getting naked online for men to see, then yes, I would fire them because if people found out that I was hiring erotic models, then that would make my company look bad. Especially if my company was doing something besides erotica.
Also, not all erotic watchers are men. There are many women who watch male erotic nudes as well, mate.
I think that if the person used to be an erotic model but decided to clean up their act they shouldn't be fired for it? It would mean once you're in the business, that's the only way you can ever make money and that's sad. Imagine you went through a rough patch and that was the only thing that could make you any money? Your future plan is to become a doctor. Being an erotic model isn't illegal, it's not like committing a felony or having bad morals you know.
I am not sure if I fully understand.... I have nudes online, but only on sites like dA where you need an account to actually see them. I try to keep track of them as good as I can and so far, nothing has "leaked" to my university colleagues, family, etc. Also I am not "googleable" with my real name.
I know it is hypocritical to fire someone because you saw nude pictures of them online. But then again, if I wanna be a teacher there is no way in hell I should have any not fully dressed pics online. Like the teacher who got fired because of a fetish site she had. thatīs just stupid of her.